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  • Go to TechSoup.org and see if your organization is eligible for Microsoft donations. If you are, Microsoft licenses through them are almost free.

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  • spicehead-Frak wrote:

    Is there any special version of windows for education to work with AD on windows server 2019 at a better price than for business?

    Not that I'm aware of.

    And as far as prices are concerned, Kevin has already mentioned the most advantageous option. Next comes an agreement between the organization running your school and Microsoft if such agreement exists. E.g. some governments have concluded such agreements with Microsoft also for the public schools run by State or city. Similar agreements exist for non-profit schools for adults run by private organizations and Microsoft. Similar agreements exist for continued education for profit schools at different prices.

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  • MS state this: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/windows-10-editions-for-education-customers-bf2572aa-5555-...Opens a new window
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  • EDU versions can be purchased through CDW/G and no doubt some other resellers. You may be asked for proof of eligibility. I don’t remember pricing as it was less important than getting GPO control superior to Pro for less than enterprise. Had to get an open license agreement (1 copy and 4 CALS was the cheap route) but once you have it, can be deployed to any machine that came with an OEM Pro version … if you’ve got machines that didn’t come with Pro installed, you’ll have to buy more.

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  • I've only seen Windows 11 Pro Education from the OEM for back-to-school promotions.  Our academic volume licences are regular Windows 10/11 Pro or Enterprise at discounted academic pricing.

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  • kevinhughes2 wrote:

    EDU versions can be purchased through CDW/G and no doubt some other resellers. You may be asked for proof of eligibility. I don’t remember pricing as it was less important than getting GPO control superior to Pro for less than enterprise. Had to get an open license agreement (1 copy and 4 CALS was the cheap route) but once you have it, can be deployed to any machine that came with an OEM Pro version … if you’ve got machines that didn’t come with Pro installed, you’ll have to buy more.

    But if already purchased machines with Win10/11 Pro (eg using Education discounts from Dell, HP or Lenovo), I do not see the point of changing or adding on a 2nd Win10/11 Pro license ? Some of these discounts can be as high as 30%, 50% or even 90%.

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  • In terms of licensing for EDU then I think we tend to use Microsoft open value subscriptions. Our supplier works it all out for us but its worked out based on number of full time staff. We get pretty lots of stuff on MVLS and then just license servers other than that. Works out better for some of our schools because they have lots of part-time staff it ends up cheaper.

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  • Sometimes I like to think if there are off piste possible options. School funds for IT are always a struggle. So I did wonder whether this is an opportunity to consider alternatives and ones that come to mind are to see if some of the users actually need Windows and could they use Linux instead freeing up some Windows licences or would Chromebooks or ChromeOS be OK for some. A small step into the Linux and Chromebook world will give useful experience. 

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  • peterw2300 wrote:

    Sometimes I like to think if there are off piste possible options. School funds for IT are always a struggle. So I did wonder whether this is an opportunity to consider alternatives and ones that come to mind are to see if some of the users actually need Windows and could they use Linux instead freeing up some Windows licences or would Chromebooks or ChromeOS be OK for some. A small step into the Linux and Chromebook world will give useful experience. 

    Veering off topic, but Chromebooks are already a major player in Edu, and have been for years.  However, without a Google Education subscription, they're useless.  Retail, unmanaged ChromeOS devices are NOT appropriate for an education environment (and depending on jurisdiction, may render an institution ineligible for federal funding at best, or be subject to litigation at worst).

    Linux has been thrown around for literally decades as a cheap-as-free alternative for education, but usually by either IT pros in education who are already Linux admins or those who've never actually worked in education. Hardware & software may be cheap, but support and curriculum development are not.

    And along the lines of the IT literacy topic, teachers, administrators, and curriculum specialists are not all at the same level of expected IT literacy. Some are, quite frankly, not. At all. Which means an already burdened education IT support team or department will be saddled with more, getting to becoming curriculum specialists themselves (which can step slowly out of scope, particularly in licensure, certification, compensation, etc.).

    In a perfect world, the titles shouldn't matter but rather the skills they impart. We don't live in this world. We live in a world where community members throw childish temper tantrums at school board meetings, which forces them to go backwards to just shut those people up. Or those whiners get voted onto school boards, and they question why any school would need any money to shore up cybersecurity defenses.

    K-12 IT's life is spent treading the balance between industry best practices on a shoestring budget and silencing the loudest (most immature) screaming in the room regardless of who is right or wrong.  Introducing Linux is not going to make that any better.

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  • WeirdFish wrote:

    Which means an already burdened education IT support team or department will be saddled with more, getting to becoming curriculum specialists themselves (which can step slowly out of scope, particularly in licensure, certification, compensation, etc.).

    Education IT support team - what's that?

    Whenever I was looking at schools, no such teams existed and a few teachers were addressing some of these tasks as add on. During IT setup, there may have been some temporary IT support team for the setup and possibly training of such volunteering teachers. I don't know if this has improved outside of selected government school projects with the experiences of school lock downs during pandemic. This experience initiated some changes. But I don't know if these changes were reaching far enough. When I read some Spicehead profiles, I recognize that the situation is better in some States, schools or school districts. But this is far from applying to all schools even in industrialized countries.

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