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  • I work in a school district and we've been using the HP M400 series with very little issues.

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  • If the cost isn't your responsibility, just go with HP. (No one ever got fired for buying IBM, right?)

    If you want to cut toner costs long term then look at Epson Ecotank.

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  • I'll definitely be looking into the ecotank, thanks for the tip!

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  • Find an HP dealer that can offer you the managed products as you will save money on toners plus the managed 400 series use the same firmware as larger enterprise models. 

    The only gotchas we have seen with the 400 and 500 series is that if you do not remove the cartridge properly (lift then pull) it is possible to dislodged the static fingers by the transfer roller.

    https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/ish_2821278-2825359-16

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  • enyr0py wrote:

    If the cost isn't your responsibility, just go with HP. (No one ever got fired for buying IBM, right?)

    If you want to cut toner costs long term then look at Epson Ecotank.

    Funny how everyone quakes in their boots when you recommend liquid ink but talk cost savings and then everyone is "hey, OK"

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  • I assume there are pros and cons with the ecotank/liquid ink ? 

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  • You say something that will sit on the desks.

    How much space is there for this?

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  • there's a decent amount of space for most people to have something the size of like an HP P2035 or slightly larger. 

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  • First if you do not need color do not buy it.  Color systems (toner or ink) degrade if not used. Clogged print heads can be an issue if they are not used and dry out. 

    Secondly HP cartridge based printers have 10x the toner cost of other manufacturers where only the toner is replaced instead of an expensive cartridge.

    If you go with a managed printer option beware many use non-oem cartridges to save money here.

    You need to know approximate volumes you will run and do TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) calculations like this:

    HP 400 cartridge yeild ~2500 pages - $120 = 5 cents per page just for toner. In 10,000 pages you will spend more than the cost of the printer for supplies.

    Kyocera P3260- twice as fast (and twice cost but 1/10 the operating cost) TK-3192 yeild 25,000 pages - $90 = .4 cents per page

    Then you have to add the Service Contract costs which will be projected lifetime volume divided by maintenance cycle multiplied by the cost of Periodic prescribed maintenance parts.  For the Kyocera an MK-3302 adds only .012 cents per page at retail for a per page supply/maint cost of half a penny per page while that HP is 5 cents just for the cartridge.

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  • HP Laserjet Pro M40x have been working well for my customers.  They do a lot of printing on legal paper so we need something that supports adding an additional paper tray.  Large print jobs they send to the copiers.  One copier supports color and that's where color print jobs go.  No color printers on desks besides the boss's secretary.

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  • PrintWhisperer wrote:

    First if you do not need color do not buy it.  Color systems (toner or ink) degrade if not used. Clogged print heads can be an issue if they are not used and dry out. 

    Secondly HP cartridge based printers have 10x the toner cost of other manufacturers where only the toner is replaced instead of an expensive cartridge.

    If you go with a managed printer option beware many use non-oem cartridges to save money here.

    You need to know approximate volumes you will run and do TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) calculations like this:

    HP 400 cartridge yeild ~2500 pages - $120 = 5 cents per page just for toner. In 10,000 pages you will spend more than the cost of the printer for supplies.

    Kyocera P3260- twice as fast (and twice cost but 1/10 the operating cost) TK-3192 yeild 25,000 pages - $90 = .4 cents per page

    Then you have to add the Service Contract costs which will be projected lifetime volume divided by maintenance cycle multiplied by the cost of Periodic prescribed maintenance parts.  For the Kyocera an MK-3302 adds only .012 cents per page at retail for a per page supply/maint cost of half a penny per page while that HP is 5 cents just for the cartridge.

    Few customers buy a low yield HP cartridge for that reason and the high yield cartridge cuts cost per page in half. Most often customer are likley to opt for 2 smaller printers when trying to appease uses who want local printing ability. . The P3260 looks pretty good but I am surprised the life of the developer is listed on some sites at 100,000 pages. That is a pretty short cycle compared to an HP M608 (225K) which would be a better comparison to the Kyocera. 

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  • I appreciate all the responses thus far and have been looking into these printers to determine what will work best. I guess another caveat to all this is, IF I am able to track down and get these with the way current ship operations are around the world. :-/  * Sigh*

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