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  • Ultimately I had to reinstall Windows due to Windows update constantly checking for updates and some necessary software not installing. After that I tried to encrypt with Truecrypt before touching the partitions and this time it passed pretest and I was able to do system encryption. Since I hadn't at that point touched the partitions I can only surmise that Truecrypt was sensing system corruption that I didn't know about. Any idea what? It's kind of strange having corruption on such a new install of windows. I just wanted to do an update. Thanks for the help.

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    • First of all comments about the partitions. I think that you are using legacy boot and not UEFI and I thought that UEFI was the prefered method for PCs of that vintage. Anyhow, for your information, at the bottom of my post, I have listed the partitions and utilities that you could see on a UEFI hard drive. Deleting partitions is not a good idea and I recommend that you do a reinstall to get a clean state. You could use that Factory image but it is so old now that I think it better to just download a Windows iso and install from that. If you have set it up as a UEFI, then Windows will work with that and if as Legacy it will install as Legacy.

      After you have it installed then use a guide such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C25VWAGl7Tw and whole disk encryption is at the end.

      MBR - protected - very small part of the hard drive reserved for holding the 4 partition information  

      Primary GPT Header - small part of the hard drive reserved for holding partition information on GPT/UEFI systems

      System - FAT32 - Minimum size 100 MB but can be much bigger and if an OS is small enough it can fit in and work from here - called ESP or EFI - Linux will see it as sda1

      MSR - Microsoft Reserved Partition - 16 MB size - no partition ID - Linux will see this as sda2

      Other Utility Partitions - such as a Dell 40 MB diagnostics one to work preboot - Linux will see this as sda3

      Windows Partitions - about 20 GB NTFS minimum but with updates that will jam up and you need at least 100 GB and hope the user does not have a large storage requirement - Linux will see this as sda4

      Recovery Tools Partition - 500 MB advised size - Linux will see this as sda5

      Data Partitions - This is not a need but can be useful - Linux will see this as sda6

      In your case you have a Factory Image Partition which manufactures inserted rather than provide DVD with Windows on it.

      Secondary GPT Header



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    • I would unencrypt the system or with the booted system Copy the data not another External Drive. Then reinstall Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 on the laptop and install all the software as needed and move your data. Then either Encrypt the Whole Drive using Bitlocker or  Veracrypt. 

      Found this on Veracrypt issues

      https://github.com/veracrypt/VeraCrypt/issues/400

      also check this

      https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/138333/veracrypt-windows-boots-automated-repair-on-uefi...

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    • dbeato​ Thanks for your input but this is a newish install performed on 3/2 without any data and not too many programs on it. There is nothing to decrypt because I was never able to encrypt it. For the veracrypt issues threads you posted if there is something you think is applicable to my situation please tell me because it looks to me like nothing is applicable. In the first thread all those issues are for systems that are encrypted. I haven't had to deal with this before so I don't understand what they are talking about and what is applicable to me from the second.
      2300peterw​ I could reinstall but I don't know what I did wrong to begin with to prevent me from using truecrypt/veracrypt. If you could tell me what I need to correct then I'll reinstall if necessary. I didn't see anything about UEFI or secure boot in the BIOS. It's 10 years old so it might not have been built into the computer.
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    • I am puzzled about what you have and what you have done. For instance you say you have deleted a 100 MB partition but there is no sign of that. Also, you show a 848 GB unallocated partition and I wonder why? The booting process that your PC is using is that the System Reserved partition contains files to enable booting Windows on partition C. It could be that because you have 848 GB unallocated and only 71 GB on C you do not have enough space to have an encryption.

      As I said before get a good installation of Windows and then worry about encryption. See: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows8ISO 

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    • 2300peterw​ I never said that I deleted the 100 partition only that I've read about deleting it as a solution. I never had a 100 mb partition only the ones shown in the screenshot so I didn't know which one to delete. As far the small partition for Windows I wanted to have a completely separate partition for my data. I did that on my last computer without any issues. I have a good new install of Windows (performed on 3/2) so why should I reinstall again? If there is something I missed the first time around and the only fix so to reinstall windows I am willing to do a reinstall but I need to know what it I missed the first time around in order to avoid the same issue. Are you concerned that 71 gb isn't enough for system encryption or for my data?

      If I removed the recovery partition would that fix it? I would rather keep that if possible in case I need to restore the computer to factory condition for someone else but if there is no way to keep it with system encryption I can do without it.

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    • Can only make suggestions and maybe some will work. The last two partitions can be left as they are not taking up much space. I think that Windows needs a minimum of 100 GB to run and take updates and I am not sure how much more truecrypt will need on top. Certainly that 848 GB that data partition needs NTFS formatting and maybe it can use that for Truecrypt. 
      As asides: 
      Truecrypt support stopped in 2014 and you should be on Veracrypt. 
      Windows 8.1 is on its last legs. From Windows Web Site, "Windows 8.1 reached the end of Mainstream Support on January 9, 2018, and will reach end of Extended Support on January 10, 2023. With the general availability of Windows 8.1, customers on Windows 8 had until January 12, 2016, to move to Windows 8.1 to remain supported."

       
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    • 2300peterw​ Are you telling me that neither will boot at the start of pretest or pretest fails after boot up because of my partition size? If so I will gladly increase it. However I have 51 gb free now. As for truecrypt versus veracrypt I prefer Truecrypt because Veracrypt takes so long to mount but at this point I'll take either.

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    • I have run out of suggestions. Judging from the responses you have had, it is unlikely that anyone has a known solution. You will have to experiment by trying various options to find a way through the problem. 

      Nothing remains the same forever and perhaps it is time to update your hardware and software systems. 

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    • 2300peterw​ Why would I need to purchase a new computer in order to encrypt it? This is a freebie replacement for a dead computer still with lots of life in it and is powerful enough for what I need. Therefore would you replace it if you where me or save the money? In a couple of years I probably will have to replace it but not now. That can't be the solution to my problem or does veracrypt have an age range on computers? This computer has lots of resources. Plenty of hard drive space and 8 gb of memory with less than 2 in use most of the time; perhaps 5 if I run a virtual machine. What will a new computer provide that this one doesn't in order to run veracrypt? System requirements say XP so it can't be that I need Windows10. Even if Veracrypt needed 10 Truecrypt doesn't since it is old enough as you said that it was unsupported in 2014. There as got to be something in my hdd configuration or bios preventing me from encrypting it and I don't have enough experience with either to know what it is. I've encrypted one other system with Truecrypt and I didn't experience this issue.

      I am willing to do a new install but I don't want to spend the time doing so, reinstalling programs, and installing updates only to find out it still won't encrypt. So unless you can tell what is wrong with this install I don't want to do it. The only experimenting I can think of is to delete the recovery partition or doing as you suggested and adding more space on the system partition. But do you know if either will work? Please this is the first forum where anyone has even attempted to help. I don't mean any disrespect and I appreciate your help but you haven't said that this is the problem and you need to do this to fix it.

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    • I'll apologize in advance for being that guy who only skimmed the OP and all the comments, but I was curious if you are selecting to encrypt the whole disk or just the system partition in TrueCrypt? The only time I've experienced boot issues when we used to use TrueCrypt was several years ago with some crummy Lenovo firmware. Long story short, to get it to work, we had to choose to encrypt just the system partition and not the whole disk. Could be something to try if you haven't already?

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    • Good point made by beta, you may be able to encrypt the partition which has the files you need to keep secure. 

      I (and I suspect no one else) knows what will work for you to get it doing what you want. You will just have to try various options and maybe it will suddenly start working.

      Your hardware still has life and you want to carry on using it which is fine. If it were me, I would put a Linux Distro (Ubuntu or Mint) on it as that will just work as it has all the drivers built in; is upto date; have all the programmes you are likely to need; is secure and can be encrypted. However, Linux is not for everyone and many Windows don't like it because they are unfamiliar. If you wanted to try it then it will happily boot from and run from a USB stick without altering your hard drive. See: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#1-overview and if you want Mint which has the feel of Windows 7 https://linuxmint.com/ 

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    • beta​ I selected the system partition and not the whole disk. I'm going to have a separate partition for data. 2300peterw​ Looking at the screenshot you don't know what's wrong? I've tried Linux and I don't find it user friendly.

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    • Ultimately I had to reinstall Windows due to Windows update constantly checking for updates and some necessary software not installing. After that I tried to encrypt with Truecrypt before touching the partitions and this time it passed pretest and I was able to do system encryption. Since I hadn't at that point touched the partitions I can only surmise that Truecrypt was sensing system corruption that I didn't know about. Any idea what? It's kind of strange having corruption on such a new install of windows. I just wanted to do an update. Thanks for the help.

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