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  • I can't stand Oracle.  Everything is unnecessarily overcomplicated.

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  • WeirdFish wrote:

    I can't stand Oracle.  Everything is unnecessarily overcomplicated.

    You're doing something wrong.  It's actually quite simple.  I'll even use the word "elegant" here.

    Jimmy T. wrote:

    While I'm not a DBA, I've worked with a few databases and know just how much of an incredible pain it is to move data from one framework to another.  Granted, they were school projects, but I've also done a few real world migrations and it's a HUGE PAIN

    This is a problem no matter what the circumstances are -- even if you are staying on the same database and framework and just upgrading applications.  Data conversions can be a nightmare.  Switching databases only complicates that, and it gets even worse if you switch OS platforms (meaning, Oracle on Linux to SQL Server or DB/2 on AIX to Oracle on Linux).  At the very least, you have to re-tool all your scripts because no two SQL languages align perfectly.

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  • Still some big-O, but lots more (and eventually all) AWS.

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  • Jimmy T. wrote:

    In what shapes up to be a great moment to bring some popcorn, Oracle's CTO pushes back against Amazon's decision to close down Oracle's data warehouse, Larry Ellison said

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    Moving from Oracle databases to AWS "is just incredibly expensive and complicated," he said Monday. "And you've got to be willing to give up tons of reliability, tons of security, tons of performance... Nobody, save maybe Jeff Bezos, gave the command, 'I want to get off the Oracle database."
    

    While I'm not a DBA, I've worked with a few databases and know just how much of an incredible pain it is to move data from one framework to another.  Granted, they were school projects, but I've also done a few real world migrations and it's a HUGE PAIN

    Would anyone here consider making a move?  I'm not a fan of Oracle, but this is shaping up to be some good word fisticuffs.  Popcorn anyone?

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/oracles-ellison-no-way-a-normal-person-would-move-to-aws/

    That is just ridiculous, what features are they looking at and what complication, I mean we have used the RDS from Amazon for a while and they work well and you can choose what security you want, they did version upgrades and now they are doing Upgrades fully (Automated) to keep on security, by default it is also not open externally and also it is backup by your schedule to an S3 bucket and they have their snapshots every hour or so... 

    That said Database migrations will be a pain if not planned carefully and not tested beforehand, still there is a learning curve on any change. 

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  • It's a bunch of C-levels sniping at each other to amuse or calm shareholders.  People will use what works for them and their budget.  Nothing to see here, move along.

    Database migrations are, as others have said, something that need to be planned out carefully and even then they can be a bit of a pain, even without switching to a different engine.

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  • We're small enough to just use MSSQL, so it doesn't affect me here. Personally I'm not a fan of Amazon at all personally, but I haven't used Amazon Web Services (AWS) or Azure or any of the cloud providers to any real effect.

    I will say though that transferring data from foxpro to a SQL format was a huge pain, not sure if between versions of other databases it's as much of a pain.

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