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  • Posted from FFX, BTW.

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  • sweet....

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  • da Beast wrote:

    sweet....

    So far so good.

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  • Even though I still use it almost exclusively, I'm not real happy with FF at the moment. Each release is getting more miserable on ram usage, but that's on a windows 7 box. what're you using?

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  • Try the Linux distro of it if you get a chance. Works like a dream on my customized Ubuntu.

    Also, works a hell of a lot better than IE by a LONGSHOT

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  • Already, wow! I will have to download it and give it a test drive

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  • Magnus369 wrote:

    Even though I still use it almost exclusively, I'm not real happy with FF at the moment. Each release is getting more miserable on ram usage, but that's on a windows 7 box. what're you using?

    Win 7 here and definitely seeing problems.  WordPress editing is impossible with it but on Vista it is fine.

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  • thx for info

    I'm going to test it in a VM

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  • I've used FF for years and I think it's superb and yes it does use a lot of RAM but this does not bother me at all. I'll never use IE unless my life depends on it.

    In fact it's got better and better. I did have a few performance problems with FF 3 but all fine now with 9/10

    Works perfect in Win7 x64 and Vista totally sucks and always has lol

     

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  • Scott Alan Miller wrote:

    Firefox development is running at a crazy pace.  I can't believe that 10.0 is already available!

    Quick turnaround!! 

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  • Thanks for the heads up!

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  • Scott Alan Miller wrote:

     

    Firefox development is running at a crazy pace.  I can't believe that 10.0 is already available!

    It's unbelievable how long it took them to get to v4 & once their fans begin defecting to chrome, to come up with the last 6 major updates. Too little too late. Once it was my fav browser with its speed & security. Now it's just trying to play catchup with other alternatives. These days I use FF only when I need TOR.
     

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  • Seems like only yesterday I was using 3.5... They're on a 3-month release cycle since then.

    Chrome just released version 18.0 a week or two ago... correct me if I'm wrong but they were only on version 8.0 this time last year. That's almost a new version every month.

    What's up with the accelerated release cycle for these browsers? It almost seems like a marketing ploy to keep themselves in the news/blogs by releasing new versions all the time. I've also heard that it's to show a contrast to Internet Explorer by showing how active the Mozilla/Google developers are in patching and improving their products when compared to MS.

    Anyone know the real reason?

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  • IMO a new version should be as a result of a rebuild - these seem more like iterations of the same to me, so under my scheme we'd probably only be on v5.7 or something.

    It worries our users when they see messages telling them to update only 3 months since we deployed v7 across the business.

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  • Reminds me of apple releasing new products every few months that are identical to the previous ones! And far too expensive (fashion accessories)

    I think it's a race to be the best like everything these days!

    I gave up using IE at version 6 because I thought it was terrible! Clicking the stop button did nothing but continue to try and load msn's homepage! Started with FF3 and stayed with mozilla ever since.

    As far as chrome goes I've used it a few times and didn't think it was that special! But each to your own U guess.

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  • I haven't used FF consistently since v4. We have one web app that runs on it or it would be Chrome for everything. We are pushing Chrome out for email since we are running Google Apps everything just runs better.

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  • I am 99% Chrome.  FF has been on the decline lately with preformance, etc....

    IE9 is not bad at all.  I prefer it over FF now.  I do not have FF installed on my work machine.  Just Chrome and IE9.

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  • I am actually surprised that people are surprised that FF is at v10.  The fact that it took longer in the past to get to major releases out was because the used that time to resolved "more" problems and introduced "more" features. Now with this rapid release cycle you are just seeing "less" problems resolved  and "less" major new features released....nothing more and nothing less (in my opinion at least)

     

    Don't let the version numbers fool you.  Look at the product and what it offers and that's it.  With that said, I am still A FF fan but really wish they would address the memory usage issues.

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  • I agree with Marlon.

    I find FF physically pleasing to use and easy on the eye. I also agree the memory issue is a problem if you have little RAM, but with 3GB or more on Windows7 you should be fine.

    I wish firefox would give you the option to always restore your previous session on exiting as at the moment I have to end process firefox.exe so that the next time i open it up, hey presto I am offered to restore my session

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  • vdub1980 wrote:

    I wish firefox would give you the option to always restore your previous session on exiting as at the moment I have to end process firefox.exe so that the next time i open it up, hey presto I am offered to restore my session

    ...and I would have to agree with vdub.  I remember at one time FF used to allow you to restore your previous sessions after exiting. I used to love that feature. Why did they ever get rid of that (unless there is some hidden registry key that enables it)

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  • I feel that instead of ironing bugs out they have just released a whole new version. They did do that beta survey thing with version 9 to get feedback

    For me it works fine now but don't see any difference between 9 and 10

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  • This new release cycle still doesn't sit well with me.  We're not seeing major changes, just minor - the sort of thing you'd see going from 3.5 to 3.6, for example.  I'm not shallow enough to care if Firefox is version 4 and Chrome is at version 32 - I just want to know it's up to date.

    Also wish they'd come up with a way for the updates to work with UAC.  At home we run as standard users, and Firefox never auto updates.  I always have to remember to do it myself.

    Oh, and for 10, the auto-hiding forward button is silly, especially moving between tabs when some have it and some don't.

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  • Bryan Doe wrote:

    This new release cycle still doesn't sit well with me.  We're not seeing major changes, just minor - the sort of thing you'd see going from 3.5 to 3.6, for example.  I'm not shallow enough to care if Firefox is version 4 and Chrome is at version 32 - I just want to know it's up to date.

    Also wish they'd come up with a way for the updates to work with UAC.  At home we run as standard users, and Firefox never auto updates.  I always have to remember to do it myself.

    Oh, and for 10, the auto-hiding forward button is silly, especially moving between tabs when some have it and some don't.

    Your not seeing major changes in these new releases because they can't incorporate "major" changes as frequently.  If you give it time and look back approximately several months and then compare the current version of FF with a previous version months back (even as far as 6 months), you will probably see a major change or two in there.  Like I said before, don't expect to see lots major changes in each iteration (or several iterations) because its just not going to happen.  What we need to focus on are 1) are bugs being nipped in the but and 2) does it look like it is moving forward in terms of features (whether major or minor).

     

    We have grown so accustomed to see "major" releases that we just can't seem to accept this model of  rapid release whereby "major" changes per release just isn't going to happen. Give it several months and eventually you would see major changes which wouldn't be any different than if they were not doing a rapid release.

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  • Marlon9472 wrote:

    Your not seeing major changes in these new releases because they can't incorporate "major" changes as frequently.  If you give it time and look back approximately several months and then compare the current version of FF with a previous version months back (even as far as 6 months), you will probably see a major change or two in there.  Like I said before, don't expect to see lots major changes in each iteration (or several iterations) because its just not going to happen.  What we need to focus on are 1) are bugs being nipped in the but and 2) does it look like it is moving forward in terms of features (whether major or minor).

     

    We have grown so accustomed to see "major" releases that we just can't seem to accept this model of  rapid release whereby "major" changes per release just isn't going to happen. Give it several months and eventually you would see major changes which wouldn't be any different than if they were not doing a rapid release.


    That's exactly my point - what's wrong with calling this 9.1 or whatever if there's no major improvement? It's merely marketing bullcrap, imo it's not a full release at all it's just an update.

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  • They do use the minor version numbers and BTW this is 10 we are talking about

    Anyway FF rules :)


     

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  • @RealityCheque - I definately agree with you on that one. This is just marketing trying to play mind games on us. Luckily you are smart enough to see through it.

    With that said....I still like FF though !

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  • Marlon9472 wrote:

    vdub1980 wrote:

    I wish firefox would give you the option to always restore your previous session on exiting as at the moment I have to end process firefox.exe so that the next time i open it up, hey presto I am offered to restore my session

    ...and I would have to agree with vdub.  I remember at one time FF used to allow you to restore your previous sessions after exiting. I used to love that feature. Why did they ever get rid of that (unless there is some hidden registry key that enables it)

    Install the Tab Mix Plus extension (http://tmp.garyr.netOpens a new window).  Options | Session | Enable Session Manager and Enable Crash Recovery.  Also uncheck use Firefox's built in session restore feature.

    Then check out the Start/Exit tab below.  There are options to always save your session when exiting, always restart last session when starting, prompt, etc.

    Also, configure toolbar and add Display Closed Tabs List icon.  Very handy; reopens selected closed tab where you left off.

    I've been using this feature-packed extension for years and it is one of the reasons (there are several) that I have always stayed with FF.
     

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  • Thanks for that :)

    It would seem easier to actually use task manager to end the firefox.exe process :)
     

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  • vdub1980 wrote:

    Thanks for that :)

    It would seem easier to actually use task manager to end the firefox.exe process :)
     

    You would run the risk of corrupting files that were not closed properly.  And sometimes with quirky files in your profile, FF will chug along and ignore the garbage but makes it run slower; prime candidates:  extensions.ini, extensions.cache, and extensions.rdf.  These files can, however, be safely deleted.  They get rebuilt next time you run FF (http://kb.mozillazine.org/Standard_diagnostic_-_FirefoxOpens a new window).


     

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  • *sigh*

    forced update (made the mistake of rebooting). as many people can attest, I'm usually running between 30 and 115 tabs. as the version number has increased, my tab count has decreased... a lot.

    I'm at 14 tabs, and I'm waiting for the text on screen to catch up to what I typed in. On the bright side, it's kind of mesmerizing (read- absolutely infuriating) to watch my text take longer to arrive in a text window than it did when I would connect to BBS's using a 1200 baud modem.

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  • I have that issue on FF on 7 but not on Vista.  Weird huh?
     

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  • And to think, I found vista to be so slow and painful most the time... figures.
     

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  • ok, so I guess this is the part where I feel stupid and admit with trepidation and embarrassment that I forgot to disable firebug and sqlite manager.

    and apparently I have for several versions now (considering how rapidly they've been changing...)

    But ya know what... I'm gonna pull the typical microsoft user / apple fanboi / linux elitist method of hiding shame-

    IT'S ALL THE DAMN DEVELOPERS FAULT AND IMMA SUE YOU FOR MAKING MY COFFEE COLD YOU !@(_#$*!_(@&#$!)@#*&$!@#$!@

    ok, I'm better now. crack all gone.
     

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    Magnus369 wrote:

    *sigh*

    forced update (made the mistake of rebooting). as many people can attest, I'm usually running between 30 and 115 tabs. as the version number has increased, my tab count has decreased... a lot.

     

    lol seriously? I really don't understand how you could ever need that many tabs open at once, I use Opera personally but regardless of the browser I don't think I've ever had more than 10 tabs open. I'd say you're lucky it runs at all with 115 tabs open...

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  • Downloading Firefox 11.0 Beta 1. Seems to run slower then 10

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  • Chris128 wrote:

     

    Magnus369 wrote:

    *sigh*

    forced update (made the mistake of rebooting). as many people can attest, I'm usually running between 30 and 115 tabs. as the version number has increased, my tab count has decreased... a lot.

     

    lol seriously? I really don't understand how you could ever need that many tabs open at once, I use Opera personally but regardless of the browser I don't think I've ever had more than 10 tabs open. I'd say you're lucky it runs at all with 115 tabs open...

    From what I've seen, that's not too uncommon. and since a lot of it is research related, it's far faster to flip between one tab to another, or through 15 tabs to compare. and when it comes to googling something, if it's got a bunch of promising hits, I'll background open a dozen tabs just so I can dig through the information without having to go back, pick another link, go back, pick another, go back and try to remember where I saw something else...

    If it helps, my browser tends to be a lot more organized than my mind :)


     

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  • From what I've seen, that's not too uncommon. and since a lot of it is research related, it's far faster to flip between one tab to another, or through 15 tabs to compare. and when it comes to googling something, if it's got a bunch of promising hits, I'll background open a dozen tabs just so I can dig through the information without having to go back, pick another link, go back, pick another, go back and try to remember where I saw something else...

    If it helps, my browser tends to be a lot more organized than my mind :)

     


     

    I agree the multiple tabs, are easier to organize. Instead of having multiple browser windows open. It helps me keep track of my daily task, or task at hand. Plus, I love the ability with the home page to have multiple tabs prearranged when I open the browser.

    Now if I have to compare info from one page to the next, then I will drag it out into its own window.

    I just hate, when my plugins or broken in new releases.

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  • I'm eagerly awaiting the release of Waterfox 10.

    And alas, although I would like to run Chrome, it just doesn't play nice with our current hosted PAC file based proxy.
     

    EDIT : I take that back, Waterfox is available in version 10 as well. Downloading!

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    Wannes V wrote:

    I'm eagerly awaiting the release of Waterfox 10.

    And alas, although I would like to run Chrome, it just doesn't play nice with our current hosted PAC file based proxy.
     

    EDIT : I take that back, Waterfox is available in version 10 as well. Downloading!

    Waterfox?

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  • Texkonc wrote:

     

    Wannes V wrote:

    I'm eagerly awaiting the release of Waterfox 10.

    And alas, although I would like to run Chrome, it just doesn't play nice with our current hosted PAC file based proxy.
     

    EDIT : I take that back, Waterfox is available in version 10 as well. Downloading!

    Waterfox?

    Waterfox is a Mozilla side-project, and it's a version of Firefox optimized for Windows 64bit operating systems. I got the impression it responds faster than running 32 bit Firefox.

    See http://community.spiceworks.com/product/39431-mozilla-waterfox


     

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  • Nice....I had no clue there was a 64bit port available. Why don't they market this more if it really is noticeably faster on a 64bit OS.

    Definately going to check this one out.

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  • I just switched to FF at version 9 and now 10 is out and I'm not thrilled...

    Fantastic.

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  • This is amazing, just installed it .. has the msvcr100.dll missing but installed the visual c redist sp1 and it's fine

    Really fast, i'm impressed!

    64 bit all the way!

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  • I will have to give this product a try. Sounds interesting

     
     

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  • Created a separate Waterfox thread to stop derailing this one even further :-)

    http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/197666-waterfox-10
     

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